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<description>&lt;p&gt;After the trial, the defense lawyer told reporters. Our reporter Sun Siya photo&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Yesterday morning, the Municipal Higher People's Court upheld the trial Franklin Chang-Diaz won the knife to kill the wife of her ex-husband Wang Jun burglary attack case (newspaper has reported). For Franklin Chang-Diaz constitute a crime, prosecutors and defense lawyers conducted several rounds of confrontation. Wang Jun's lawyers believe the attack behavior, has made Franklin Chang-Diaz won the Unlimited Defense premise. The prosecutor then asked after Franklin Chang-Diaz won the knife has been out of serious danger,&lt;a href=&quot;http://starcsol.freebbs.me/viewthread.php?tid=1067535&amp;#38;extra=&quot;&gt;http://starcsol.freebbs.me/viewthread.php?tid=1067535&amp;#38;extra=&lt;/a&gt;, it is defensive, but at the same time offered to Chang-Diaz voluntarily surrendered themselves exist, and the requirements of its High Court commuted. In this regard, the families believe that this is a compromise to make the prosecution case for Franklin Chang-Diaz, who believe the prosecution's behavior precisely that Franklin Chang-Diaz case there is an error. The case is no court verdict yesterday. (Text characters as a pseudonym)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;□ case playback&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;2010 New Year's Eve, Franklin Chang-Diaz has accompanied his pregnant wife Wu Qing home to celebrate New Year's Eve in the father, Wu Qing Wang Jun's ex-husband after a drunken uninvited. Wang Jun knife broke into the bedroom, Franklin Chang-Diaz and his wife both injured. Wang Jun has been under pressure in the body after beating Franklin Chang-Diaz won the knife to stab Mito Wang Jun. Subsequently, Wang Jun Chang-Diaz beat him feel less and less power, so they break open Wang Jun. At this point, Franklin Chang-Diaz saw Wang Jun's body with blood, quickly rescue, and his wife quickly call 120 emergency calls, but all failed to restore Wang Jun's life. Thereafter, the Court of First Instance of intentional assault and sentenced him to imprisonment exist defended when circumstances five years. For this result, Franklin Chang-Diaz think of themselves as self-defense should not guilty, appealed.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;The trial scene of the crime and Ming&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;First-round clash: both sides, &quot;approved&quot; the first instance verdict&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Defense lawyer: no principles for the sake of balance&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Money out Yang Chang-Diaz's lawyer suggested that the case should be raised to unlimited defense perspective. The so-called unlimited defense, is the current Penal Code 20, paragraph 3: &quot;The ongoing violence, murder, robbery, rape, kidnapping and other violent crimes that seriously endanger personal safety, to take defensive behavior, resulting in criminal violation of casualties, does not belong defensive, not criminally responsible. &quot;money out Yang said the case, the location of two people fighting at home in Franklin Chang-Diaz, the weapon's provenance is Wang Jun comes, everything shows that this was a clear night refering drunken assailant's behavior.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Money out Yang said: &quot;Such a legislation is in itself a state under oath to the community: When criminal violations occur, the injured party can be completely without considering self-defense or defensive, should fully protect their personal safety or others personal safety. However, while unlimited defense laws and regulations, as early as 10 years ago by the criminal procedure law and the provisions out, but rarely apply this provision of the judiciary, and even some judicial officers do not know the unlimited defense regulations, &quot;Then the face of this one case, the courts look at whether you can bravely apply, Franklin Chang-Diaz also a fair judgment? &quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Another lawyer Liu Yingjie pointed out that the Court of First Instance has a tendency to maintain the victim saw someone died, regardless of Franklin Chang-Diaz is not intended to stop the unlawful infringement, it is found to be over - defense. &quot;In order to better explain to the bereaved families, the families in order to prevent trouble, seek the so-called social stability, there is no principle to all six blows to sacrifice the interests of one way to achieve balance,&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.saintdenisentreleslignes.fr/&quot;&gt;doudoune moncler&lt;/a&gt;, we think this is a legal incompetence.&quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Prosecutor:&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Constitute a surrender heavy sentence&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;The second trial, the prosecution is City Procuratorate. Firstly the prosecutor said the trial verdict facts are clear, evidence sufficient to establish. The prosecution pointed out that Franklin Chang-Diaz belong self-defense, but in the process of defense, resulting in the death of Wang Jun, significantly more than the necessity defense, causing major damage, should be recognized as over-defense.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Prosecutors also pointed out that the Court of First Instance that &quot;the evidence Franklin Chang-Diaz, after committing the crime to the police voluntarily surrender deficiencies,&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.democratie-socialisme.org/spip.php?article3523&quot;&gt;http://www.democratie-socialisme.org/spip.php?article3523&lt;/a&gt;, not that&quot; opinion is wrong.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Prosecutors believe that can be identified Franklin Chang-Diaz after the incident, surrendered the initiative a true account, according to the law constitute voluntarily surrendered themselves. Prosecutors said the case is evidence that Franklin Chang-Diaz's relatives after the incident active call 110 telephone calls, and Franklin Chang-Diaz has not left the scene, in the public security organs truthfully confessed after the fact.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Although the case in Franklin Chang-Diaz made himself pleaded not guilty, but do not affect the nature of their surrender, they should reduce the punishment.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Prosecutors concluded that the trial verdict and sentenced to 5 years imprisonment Franklin Chang-Diaz sentencing overweight, in view of Franklin Chang-Diaz intentional injury behavior is defensive, but also surrendered, according to the law should reduce the punishment for its &quot;I recommend hospital appeals court commuted the law of the case . &quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Two heated debate: whether constituting unlimited defense&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Prosecutor:&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;After losing unlimited defense wins knife premise&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Franklin Chang-Diaz prosecutor will act divided into three stages, the first stage is Franklin Chang-Diaz said in the face of the knife against Wang Jun and won the knife acts against and indeed belong to self-defense; but the second stage, Franklin Chang-Diaz wins After the knife, the situation in the field has changed, Wang Jun, although at this time there are abuses continue to Franklin Chang-Diaz, but not to the Chang-Diaz bring more significant damage, so the extent of Franklin Chang-Diaz fight jabbing a knife, already greatly It exceeds the limits of necessity defense. In the third phase, Franklin Chang-Diaz was found injured after Wang Jun, and his family has implemented a series of rescue behavior reflects Wang Jun Chang-Diaz does not want to cause more damage, but also from another point of view confirms Franklin Chang-Diaz in the first two stages,&lt;a href=&quot;http://store.shopping.yahoo.co.jp/2pcs/r0560.html&quot;&gt;http://store.shopping.yahoo.co.jp/2pcs/r0560.html&lt;/a&gt;, twice in the chest with a knife stabbed Wang Jun's behavior over the extent necessary.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&quot;On the contrary, if the Franklin Chang-Diaz won the knife, Wang Jun took a more aggressive behavior, then take what defensive behavior Franklin Chang-Diaz is not too much,&quot; the prosecutor said, so the result of the process in terms of injury, location and number of knives and injury to Look, Franklin Chang-Diaz more than the necessary limits, are not unlimited defense. In addition, the prosecution also suggested that Wang Jun is not trespassing, but to visit the children at home, kids fireworks, but after entering the room, Wu Qing's parents also come to Wang Jun transcripts to see, and did not refuse Wang Jun Wang Jun meaning or to get rid of.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Counsel:&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Defense is not a momentary security&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Money out Yang suggested that the understanding of self-defense can not be confined to temporary protection, but should be understood to protect the safety of themselves and their families from the root.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Money out Yang said, the prosecutor talked about several stages, the first stage of a stage is actually a resistance, and the second stage is the stage of counterattack won the knife, but in fact this is precisely a process of self-defense. &quot;Whether it is self-defense or defense infinite, are the first to face criminal violations to resist, and then in turn hurt criminal violation, the two add up to the defense of self-defense is an infinite meaning.&quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Money out Yang pointed out that only one case goes beyond self-defense, and that is afterwards defense. If the knife was grabbed after Zhang Fulin, Wang Jun immediately getaway, and Franklin Chang-Diaz knife to kill, this is beyond the limits of defense, but the whole process of the case, there is no indication that Wang Jun had stopped the Franklin Chang-Diaz's injuries .&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Liu Yingjie lawyers added that Wang Jun of the attack purpose is very clear, &quot;since it is in line with unlimited defense attack on the conditions have, in line with this premise, Wang Jun cause serious injury or death, should not be responsible.&quot; Yingjie said, when Franklin Chang-Diaz three injured, one injured Wu Qing, Zhang Fulin knife after wins over, Wang Jun is still pinched his neck, always pressing on him,&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rabitticeiling.it&quot;&gt;Piumini moncle&lt;/a&gt;, so the attack persists, the danger is still continuing, has not been control.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Whether trespassing views,&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kehuelga.org/spip.php?article3916&quot;&gt;http://www.kehuelga.org/spip.php?article3916&lt;/a&gt;, lawyers said Wang Jun came to Franklin Chang-Diaz's home, no one invited him, Wu Qing's parents are out of politeness to get transcripts to see Wang Jun, but civility is not equal to the invitation. Moreover, Wu Qing was already shut the door, and went into the door Wang Jun, of course, belongs into the plot.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Three submissions: the judge asked to express new ideas&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Prosecutor:&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Damage results from the two unequal&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;The prosecutor said that the judiciary during the processing of each case, the punishment is not the ultimate goal of the accused to justice. By hearing the case have on the parties to reach a fair result, which is the judicial process has been pursuing.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;The case occurred contrary to all expectations, the existing evidence does not prove that the behavior was intentional Wang Jun lethal Franklin Chang-Diaz, the degree of harm Wang Jun behavior, nor is it the case of a serious threat to personal safety on unlimited defense in criminal law requires.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;In fact, Franklin Chang-Diaz and his wife, Wu Qing, the two injuries are minor injuries. Sometimes the results with the results of Wang Jun death is not a peer, so Franklin Chang-Diaz exceeded the limits of necessary defense.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Counsel:&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;If you do not stop the deceased would be Franklin Chang-Diaz&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Liu Yingjie lawyers pointed out that Franklin Chang-Diaz is hanging by a thread emergency chaos occasion, Wang Jun was stabbed to death. If you let the victims of Franklin Chang-Diaz was accurately grasp the intensity and location of the actual is a difficult one. Wang Jun is late at night to reach the defense of people's bedrooms, and carry weapons, came straight to the bedroom,&lt;a href=&quot;http://home.ajb-china.com/space.php?uid=2038&amp;#38;do=blog&amp;#38;id=687041&quot;&gt;http://home.ajb-china.com/space.php?uid=2038&amp;#38;do=blog&amp;#38;id=687041&lt;/a&gt;, threw himself up will be Zhang Fulin, Wu Qing up to block, then the knife, and the thumb tendon rupture. Wu Qing, if not to block the knife, then the knife will tie to Franklin Chang-Diaz's body, showing Wang Jun came in and ran the purpose of the attack came. Although Franklin Chang-Diaz took the knife, but drunk Wang Jun, the couple has caused injury, if not Franklin Chang-Diaz won the knife and puncture, it is impossible to suspend the attack behavior Wang Jun, the last serious injury of death would be Franklin Chang-Diaz .&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Our reporter Sun Siya&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;I was innocent&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Yesterday morning, Franklin Chang-Diaz stood on the second trial courtroom, for freedom, he must seize the last chance. More than two years in custody at the detention center, he believed he was innocent from start to finish of. He always believed that, in order to protect his wife and children he murdered his wife's ex-husband's life and behavior is normal in self-defense.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Standing crime or cliff, this trial was sentenced to five years of men asked the court to issue: &quot;Is it only me or my wife or my wife unborn child injuries, death, before they can defend what I ask? Our law is to protect the bad guys do? &quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Franklin Chang-Diaz pitched tone, full of grief.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;New Year's Eve knife broke into the strange man&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;In 2009, 30-year-old Franklin Chang-Diaz returned from abroad, and divorce secondary school students come together Wu Qing. At the time of Wu Qing, she has been divorced and with a boy. For the wife of her ex-husband Wang Jun, Zhang Fulin nothing.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;More unknown is,&lt;a href=&quot;http://associationflainoise.fr/spip.php?article81/&quot;&gt;http://associationflainoise.fr/spip.php?article81/&lt;/a&gt;, the two never met a tragic life and death is met.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;2010 New Year's Eve, a man comes into the room. He pointed  pregnant belly ask &quot;how do you like this?&quot; Wu Qing did not answer, the man angrily turned angry and asked Franklin Chang-Diaz, &quot;Who are you?&quot; Chang-Diaz replied: &quot;I am of Wu Qing husband. &quot;&quot; You are his husband? I'll let you know today know who his husband! &quot;the man shouted.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&quot;He said as he rushed up,&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.molluscumcontagiosum.fr/&quot;&gt;doudoune moncler&lt;/a&gt;, put me in bed, riding on me, hard grabbed my neck,&quot; Chang-Diaz recalled in court when exposed frightened eyes.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&quot;Struggling, I heard Wu Qing shouted a cry, 'he has a knife!'&quot; Chang-Diaz said, when he looked up and saw the man in the hands of the nose at him. Franklin Chang-Diaz quickly a block, the blade punctured his right hand and arm. In the process, won the knife stabbed the man. &quot;I almost do not know how I was tied to him, he hit me is feeling increasingly weak strength.&quot; Later she saw the blood.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&quot;Quick alarm, Fighter 120,&quot; Chang-Diaz kept to a man to do artificial respiration. But all this has been to no avail.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Deceased father I do not need your sympathy&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;In the first instance ruling, Franklin Chang-Diaz amount of compensation for the dead is 22 million yuan. Yesterday, the deceased father, Mr. Wang told the court, the amount of compensation is too low, the requirements for the Chang-Diaz pleaded not guilty punished severely.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Heard &quot;not guilty&quot; in the name, Franklin Chang-Diaz on the conditioned reflex, he said:. &quot;I am innocent.&quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&quot;Because I was innocent, so I do not compensation,&quot; Chang-Diaz, he is not not want compensation, contrary deceased father will try to give some financial compensation, but it all has nothing to do with whether he is guilty &quot;verdict compensation must not be made because I am innocent. &quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Franklin Chang-Diaz said he and the deceased son relationship is very good, every day tutoring his science and English. &quot;I will spare no effort in the future to use my love to warm him.&quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Franklin Chang-Diaz,&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.blog-vins-alsace-arthurmetz.fr&quot;&gt;chaussures louboutin&lt;/a&gt;, then, did not impress Mr. Wang, speaking for Mr. Wang, Chang-Diaz is still a murderer. &quot;You murderer,&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.medeacom.it&quot;&gt;piumini woolrich outlet&lt;/a&gt;, anyway, you killed my son with Mito fresh life, if my son is still alive, it is Zheng Dangnian time. I do not need you to give me anything, I do not need your sympathy . &quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;People ask me to sit home discipline&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;When the prosecution Franklin Chang-Diaz and his wife just hands, arms, etc. were injured, and Wang Jun have lost their lives, and thus confirms Franklin Chang-Diaz's defense exceeds the limits of necessity, Franklin Chang-Diaz broke out, he raised the volume, stressing each syllable retorted loudly, he said the last, he wronged the verge of tears.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&quot;I am innocent!&quot; Chang-Diaz said, &quot;I think the cause of the whole thing, after the results have been very clear, but I would like to say a word, when my life is threatened, and when I, in the face of Health time and death choice, it only I was stabbed and severely wounded or dead,&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.colepicasso.es/spip.php?article242&quot;&gt;http://www.colepicasso.es/spip.php?article242&lt;/a&gt;, I can defend it?&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&quot;I think, unlimited defense law is to encourage citizens in times of danger and fight criminals. Wang Jun to me, I do not have any connection with him, I do not have any dispute with him that night, and he for me He is a criminal. Does that mean that only after me or my wife or my wife unborn child injuries, or cause a death in the family in which I, and I can defend it? Does our law is to protect the bad guys it? &quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Franklin Chang-Diaz broke, causing the families to attend the mood, &quot;Yes!&quot; Families hands up, shouting out the express approval of Franklin Chang-Diaz claims. This behavior was quickly admonished Tribunal. Franklin Chang-Diaz seeing this, quickly raised their hands ask to speak, after permission of the court, he turned to the family said, &quot;My dear family, thank you for supporting me for so long, and today I have come to trial, observe discipline, Thank you for your support. &quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Said my personal self-defense counterattack&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;In the final presentation stage, Franklin Chang-Diaz said the night of the incident, it was New Year's Eve night, I was at home with his family to celebrate the New Year,&lt;a href=&quot;http://ctba.ca/forum/activity&quot;&gt;http://ctba.ca/forum/activity&lt;/a&gt;, and look forward to a few weeks after the beginning of the joy of fatherhood, however, do not drink and Wang Jun in Unsolicited, suddenly trespassing with my wife's bedroom, in the case of my unsuspecting, suddenly use violence against me wrongful conduct criminal violations, Wang Jun crazy cruel knives with which they carry, has stabbed me nearly nine and a half months pregnant wife and myself.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Wang Jun to me entirely a stranger, never knew him, its no contradictions and conflicts, Wang Jun is a drunk broke into my house the killing violent criminals, in its violence assault me, and hold Continuous knife stabbed my wife and me, their behavior a serious threat to the lives of my wife unborn child safety when, I think my self-defense counterattack.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Our reporter Sun Siya&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;
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