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<description>&lt;p&gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;CNR network Pingdingshan July 9 news (reporter Zhou Yifan Henan Taiwan correspondent Xu Yanli),&lt;a href=&quot;http://tongzhiba.cc/forum.php?mod=viewthread&amp;#38;tid=1708118&amp;#38;extra=&quot;&gt;http://tongzhiba.cc/forum.php?mod=viewthread&amp;#38;tid=1708118&amp;#38;extra=&lt;/a&gt;, according to Voice of China &quot;News&quot; reported that the tomb ancestors stolen, the public security organs recovered what is buried in the back later,&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.qi-gong-troyes.fr/&quot;&gt;air max 90&lt;/a&gt;, still owned by the local cultural relics department? Recently, Henan Province Pingdingshan court judgment one case: if they are identified as funerary artifacts, accounts owned by the state. Despite a final decision, but still it triggered a discussion.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Things go back to April 2011, Baofeng County, Henan Zheng tomb of the brothers' great-grandfather  theft, looters Zhang, who was arrested by public security personnel on the spot, and then, through the identification of cultural relics department, Zhang, excavation of 32 member of the Qing Dynasty relics funerary objects, should be nationalized. But the brothers think,&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.anne-dufetel.eu/spip.php?article211&quot;&gt;http://www.anne-dufetel.eu/spip.php?article211&lt;/a&gt;, from his great-grandfather is buried in the tomb stolen out, should be returned to the Cheng family, therefore Baofeng County Public Security Bureau and the Cultural Relics Bureau to court.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Zheng Pi display, Zheng Jie Pi brothers have over 70 years of age, they present the dignity of these years, but because of great-grandfather buried in the tomb of the home playing a lawsuit. Great-grandfather Zhengru Qi brothers died in 1930, was buried in the Village Cemetery, 1969 due to the construction Jiaozhitielu, two tombs will Zhengru Qi moved to the north side of the village. April 4, 2011 in the evening,  tomb stolen, Wang, who at the time were caught robbing graves police officers,&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ys33.net/news/html/?88899.html&quot;&gt;http://www.ys33.net/news/html/?88899.html&lt;/a&gt;, and their excavation out from the tomb emerald bracelet, emerald pull fingers, etc. 32 funerary items, after identification, belong to the Qing Dynasty relics, of which seven to three relics,&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kinderpiuvolleyblog.it&quot;&gt;woolrich outlet&lt;/a&gt;, the rest for the general artifacts. Cheng brothers agents also was the son of Pi Zheng Chu Guohui, introduced the situation:&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Chu Guohui: The next day police investigators to find us, ask about great-grandfather Zhengru Qi burial, and made a record, we also have to go to a cemetery was confirmed.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;August 24, 2011, thieves were sentenced, while 32 articles after the seizure by the Baofeng County Public Security Bureau, handed over to the custody of Baofeng County Bureau of Cultural Relics. But Cheng brothers think, from his great-grandfather is buried in the tomb stolen out, all the family should go, hope the return of cultural relics bureau, March 5, 2012, Baofeng County Bureau of Cultural Relics reply to their request, he decided not to return .&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Thus, the County Public Security Zheng brothers and Cultural Relics Bureau to court, the court shall order the defendant to request the return of 32 funerary objects. October 10, 2012, after Baofeng County People's Court, in accordance with relevant laws and dismissed the plaintiff Zheng brothers, Cheng brothers first instance verdict, appeal.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;May 26 this year, Pingdingshan Intermediate People's Court of Final Appeal, the results support the first instance.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Pingdingshan Intermediate People's Court Administrative Court Vice President Zhao Xinsheng: According to People's Republic of China Cultural Relics Protection Law stipulates that &quot;all the territory of People's Republic of China Cultural Relics,&lt;a href=&quot;http://bbs.pinggu.org/?mod=spacecp&amp;#38;ac=blog&amp;#38;blogid=&quot;&gt;http://bbs.pinggu.org/?mod=spacecp&amp;#38;ac=blog&amp;#38;blogid=&lt;/a&gt;, underground, internal waters and adjacent sea remains belong to the state,&quot; but also by the controversial articles Henan cultural relics appraisal committee of the Qing Dynasty relics belong, the appellant requested the return of the artifacts, in accordance with the provisions of the National Heritage Act, should be owned by the state. So there is no support for the plaintiff's claim.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Pingdingshan Municipal Cultural Relics Bureau office director Mike Lai said that to support the court's decision:&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Mike Lai: This is a special case, is of grave robbers dug. If things are mine, inherited, and outsiders would consider this, our family graves in things that are mine, may under certain circumstances he would dig, how to do after this happens? I think we should go to be considered from the perspective of maintaining social positive energy. There is always a place to talk disputed the court sentenced to execution by the court.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Director of the CASS Institute of Law of Civil Sun Xianzhong believe that the verdict in line with relevant laws and regulations. However,&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.8liuxing.com/home.php?mod=spacecp&amp;#38;ac=blog&amp;#38;blogid=&quot;&gt;http://www.8liuxing.com/home.php?mod=spacecp&amp;#38;ac=blog&amp;#38;blogid=&lt;/a&gt;, for the burial of such special things on the applicable law,&lt;a href=&quot;http://shhbkjxy.wanxiaowang.cn/forum.php?mod=viewthread&amp;#38;tid=858&quot;&gt;http://shhbkjxy.wanxiaowang.cn/forum.php?mod=viewthread&amp;#38;tid=858&lt;/a&gt;, and indeed there may be different interpretations.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;According to &quot;Civil Law&quot;, &quot;Property Law&quot; in the rule: Ownership is clear treasure trove, hidden things, lost property, if the owner is clear in the law, it should be returned to owners. But the &quot;burial objects&quot; can not be equated to &quot;treasure trove.&quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Sun Xianzhong: He refers to this treasure trove of all this is not to say that the parties want to abandon ownership, for instance, appear war war,&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.railroadpix.com&quot;&gt;http://www.railroadpix.com&lt;/a&gt;, war, or under what circumstances, he put some things buried in the ground, and this is called the treasure trove. But because we know that this previously buried, burial this thing to die, he is clear that buried in the inside, it means to give up ownership, who would not say that I think this stuff buried in the ground, I have to get back to the future, Or bring my children back. That it is clear, you are the first thing I want to insist on the principle that your ancestors originally buried this time is not what we call a civil law that treasure trove.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;That is, according to the understanding of &quot;Cultural Relics Protection Law&quot;, for the &quot;burial&quot; of such a thing, the original owner has died goods, funerary behavior have been identified as future generations can be given up to the &quot;substance&quot; of ownership, So, after being dug up,&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.time-is-money.fr/&quot;&gt;chaussures louboutin&lt;/a&gt;, it made national or collective ownership. But legal experts Yue  mountain view, from the reason, the existing laws can make the appropriate adjustments:&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Yue  Hill: I think the word in this case should be to make some breakthroughs, simply because if the burial culture of words. I can not find the descendants, then this should be let go when the state,&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.centrowellamarche.it&quot;&gt;peuterey spaccio&lt;/a&gt;, but if that is just a few years, but also to find descendants of this situation, if only to simply define it as relics,&lt;a href=&quot;http://alassma.com/spip.php?article177&quot;&gt;http://alassma.com/spip.php?article177&lt;/a&gt;, then,&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cite-scolaire-des-chaumes.fr/&quot;&gt;air max 90 pas cher&lt;/a&gt;, Although right now it is through the legal aspects, but in reasonable terms so that future generations may be unable to accept the fact that there may be considered some specific modifications.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Zheng family said, the tradition of orderly burial of the Lord of the people, in addition to considering the legal aspects, as well as more emotional sustenance, things should return all descendants of the family, so they decided to continue the appeal.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;(Original title: Qing Dynasty grandfather generations demands the return of stolen cemetery grave goods were dismissed)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; (Edit: SN123)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;
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