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<description>&lt;p&gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Shenmu coal gave people bring wealth, and now, the same coal letting their losses CFP profile photo Shenmu city information bulletin boards plastered with &quot;urgent sale&quot; housing support information Panjing She told reporters lack technique of coal prices,&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.baseball-reference.com/games/standings.cgi&quot;&gt;http://www.baseball-reference.com/games/standings.cgi&lt;/a&gt;, so that all types of private lending organizations facing increasingly serious problem.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Propped up by lending revenue-rich life, in the face of increasingly tough market, it has become a thing of the past ......&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;The evening of 10 June 2013, Shenmu, a middle-aged man came to State Road scales bulletin board edge, the one &quot;emergency houses&quot; a small ad posted up - the huge bulletin board, all kinds of notices have been plastered all sorts of houses.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Now, this bulletin boards, almost all over Shenmu city streets.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&quot;Coal business to die, what business have to die, do not sell your house ye also people's money?&quot; One woman lamented.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;With domestic coal slid into the trough from the peak, stumble endlessly coal, the coal enterprises lack technique support, so that all types of private lending organizations unsustainable, while participating private, is also facing a serious risk quilt.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;  investor&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Coal crisis receive less than the interest of the&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Case I: the original one hundred thousand in January of interest by his wife now live as co-management&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Li Cheng Wei: over 50 years old, farmer&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&quot;It was not live, if we get the money, I would have to wait one person dead.&quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Eyes swelling, suffering brain stem Lee Sung Wei waved a helpless look. Think of a year ago, said Li Cheng Wei never thought he would look into this today.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Li Cheng Wei, 50-year-old, who lives in Shenmu spend stack ditch, ten years ago, he and the village people, farming harvest crops, life is hard and tight. Later, Murakami has coal mines, he began to have money. He points to the village of hundreds of million shares invested in the county a coking plant, and soon a good life again.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Then he put the money earned from the coking plant, through a friend invested in a coal mine in Shanxi Xin County capital 1,000,&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.terraverdehoa.com&quot;&gt;http://www.terraverdehoa.com&lt;/a&gt;,000, a year after the recovery of principal and interest of 150 million yuan; the same time, he also a fellow by the 1.5 million yuan into the Jungar coal mine in Inner Mongolia Erdos, this makes him a very short time to earn more than 200 million investment down ...... several times, Li Cheng Wei's assets reached more than 700 million, has become destitute worry millionaires. Li Cheng Wei said that investment income is good, interest only a month, you can get 100,000 yuan, &quot;that life is very comfortable.&quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;But last year an investment, so that his good life came to a standstill. Between April and May 2012, heard a relative say, Zhang interest to be high on the county, a lot of people put money in there &quot;made.&quot; Li Cheng Wei by a friend to all of the funds voted in the past, agreed to an interest rate of two and a half, can only took interest after a quarter, you never get the money.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&quot;The local interest is a quarter of a collar, I interest the second quarter should lead in November, may never receive.&quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;He said Li Cheng Wei Zhang has been arrested for illegal fund-raising, at the end go XingJu. Zhang when news of the accident spread throughout the streets one night, Li Cheng Wei feel like being a little power play, senseless.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Since Lee voted out all the money, and now the family's life, only a month when coordinators earn one thousand dollars to maintain against his wife.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Case II: stall accumulate 600,000 all put underground banks&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Yan-Hua Zhang: 53 years old, farmer, put stalls&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Zhang will be thrown into the same money &quot;pocket&quot; was also Yan-Hua Zhang. She is Shenmu Gaojiabu village, 53-year-old, originally also rural farming, and later into the city by playing biscuits (locally called cheese) living, working is 30 years, finally the accumulation of more than 60 million. Early last year, listen to a clan sister-in-law said that understanding a business, can lend interest-bearing, her heart, and with his wife to discuss a bite to save all the money voted in, the results of three quarters down, light down interest received forty-five thousand, look to lend money fast,&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.discoveryphoto.it&quot;&gt;hogan outlet&lt;/a&gt;, they put interest and additional borrowed 50,000 yuan and make up an integer to underground banks, the results of last winter, since Zhang was arrested, not only did not interest, capital also take it back , angrily, his wife suffered from high blood pressure ......&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Case 3: Interest get capital could get it back&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Liu Yu new: 57 years old, teacher&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;The new primary school teachers Liu Yu, 57 years old, county people did decades of education, and his wife to save more than 100 million, to see other people are rich lending revenue-up, they also introduced by a friend into an underground pawnshop start , everything is normal, given the interest is also very agile, who knows after the price of coal fell, not only can not get interest, on the banks of the capital could get it out, &quot;the pawnshop owner went out to hide debt, and even the personal shadow found. &quot;said Liu Yu new.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Shenmu People's Road area in a family, because the husband fails to lend, nagging wife all day get their money does not come back, a month ago, when the face again complain, the old man said: &quot;They do not give me what's the way . &quot;Then we should jumped from the 5th floor, the result was rushed to rescue the masses in a timely manner.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Borrowers&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Dun boss wounded banks with the coal bosses&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Compared to the money not come back without a debt who borrowers more tough days.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;2011, has been doing the civil works of Shenmu people , through a friend, hiding in the county from a luxury hotel on the second floor with three-point four underground pawnshop interest loan of 300,000 yuan per month to 1.4 million plus Minato Yuan, the total investment in a coal mine in Inner Mongolia Dongsheng coal would have to start at the end of last year, but did not expect coal prices to fall, simply can not produce. Because coal bosses on the East Rasi billion investment is borrowed, so he only &quot;foot&quot; of the.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&quot;He ran nor is not coming back, after all, to too much debt, and other money and then come back to open.&quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;He Guokai said he did not make any money earthwork has been present thinking about the capital invested in coal mines try to &quot;send a&quot; mended to encounter such a situation.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Late last year, underground banking boss to ask him for interest, because the outer side of the relatives and friends who have debt or in debt, can not, he had to give banks the interest on the loan note boss fight ninety eight, so that the loan would It became 390,000. Last year, over the years, banks boss to find him again,&lt;a href=&quot;http://accesio.com/go.cgi&quot;&gt;http://accesio.com/go.cgi&lt;/a&gt;, because of money, the other side to the debt dispute will he go to court, then the court issued a leaflet, he did not go; between June and July 2012, but not because he was looking for, pawn Bank boss took an old man, two people with disabilities went to his house, do not take the money, lived in his house, because the house there is a 19-year-old daughter, toss the night after, you really could not He Guokai wife reported to the police, these people go.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Things did not finish. Earlier this year, banks boss to find seven or eight people, armed with machetes, Yang Gao wounded him, though beaten, but he was not paying the money; Eve first month this year, banks once again to his boss home for money and brought his wife wounded, the family's furniture had been broken, even so, consciously wrong, he chose to swallow. Eve day until the first month of this year, banks with a boss who Huiquan road again beat him, he chose to report.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&quot;You see, my head wound 26 centimeters, because the money was not a good injury came out.&quot; He Guokai clawed hair,&lt;a href=&quot;http://yasubeisushi.com&quot;&gt;http://yasubeisushi.com&lt;/a&gt;, I saw a long scar. After the report, the People's Road police station batterer detention for 10 days, a fine of 500 yuan,&lt;a href=&quot;http://reseller.web-matrix.jp&quot;&gt;http://reseller.web-matrix.jp&lt;/a&gt;, then banks boss to call him, said to kill him, he explained that he does not pay back the money, the money also, &quot;I Tell him I do not hide what, no money, take terrible! &quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;He Guokai in February this year to the banks boss intentional injury filed a lawsuit to the court. He said that, compared to others in town, own debts be less, &quot;I'm hit,&lt;a href=&quot;http://selecthose.com/upload/forum.php?mod=viewthread&amp;#38;tid=74787&quot;&gt;http://selecthose.com/upload/forum.php?mod=viewthread&amp;#38;tid=74787&lt;/a&gt;, are owed several million dollars.&quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&quot;Fugu a Tanchang still owes me one hundred thousand dollars did not give me.&quot; He Guokai part of the funds owed fellow Yao Jingui (a pseudonym), in the city's authorities to work. He only owes  few million, while also owes money to more than 80 individuals, more than 300 million total. Since the end of last year, since the beginning of this year, the phone must be connected to dozens of debt every day ......&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;A local hotel owner also owes He Guokai tobacco money. Because the store owner in debt big head in pawn shops, for bursts came  to account and do not escape, because no cash repayment, owner of the store had to let him once took 24 cigarettes.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;More sad is that Lee, who lives in Water Mill River newly opened, 57 years old this year, before the loader to engage, engage civil engineering, life comfortable and prosperous. After his son to open in the county hotel, KTV, he is said to move, go to pawn loan of 10 million yuan, &quot;good loan, write a note to become.&quot; However, hotel and KTV business as soon while coal prices fell dismally, after a month because the interest would 30 million, to make ends meet, had to close. Now six months, sell the house to also sell 300 million, recently, in the face pawn press, had &quot;dug pay Paul&quot;, find another pawn loans paying the account.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Reporters in Shenmu People's Court website to see the recent announcement of the January hearing, the case concerning private credit disputes accounted for about eighty percent ......&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;  chain reaction&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Deserted hotel restaurant will buy a luxury car&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Former fire cooking oil like days gone. In local memory, a dream life is not bad money if just done, now wake up.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&quot;In the past not to mention tens of thousands borrow is three five million yuan, do not hit a telephone thing?&quot; Yangqing Guo drove modest pawn shops, as beneficiaries of coal development, now has also been bleak coal Prospects destroyed confidence.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;A year ago the good old days vividly. The street is not bad money, like fishing can pick one, all kinds of luxury cars through the streets, Maserati, Lincoln everywhere. At that time, the hotel was full almost every day, to fully enjoy the nightlife of money people everywhere, the size of the restaurant, if not pre-ordering, even the seats are problems.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Be less than six months, business deserted hotel, restaurant diners disappeared, numerous entertainment options are also gone Manner.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;One insider said the local entertainment play a night of non-spend eight thousand million children can not, and now these places are deserted business.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&quot;Coal business is good, every time dividends, someone to change, at the end of last year, the situation is different.&quot; A 4S shop owner told reporters, before this time there will be a lot of auto show, are selling one hundred million or more luxury cars, this year's show a little, selling all mid-range cars.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Shenmu coal is green coal, coal is the best quality northwest of origin, in previous years, Sinotrans Ningxia, Qinghai, Xinjiang energy companies, are now sold, excess capacity, which gives Shenmu private lending caused a vicious circle, to posted everywhere, people are holding hands before the money, and now the hands of a man stick a stick, came out to the account.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&quot;No matter how much money the family will lend interest to eat, ordinary people will put the rich, millions of millions to lend tens of thousands of coal bosses two hundred thousand.&quot; Another underground banking boss Say.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Hot underground banks, once Shenmu normal financial order had an impact. Because of the bank benchmark interest rate and large private lending interest rates spreads, period of time, the bank inflows of private lending has become an open secret, &quot;bank interest rates low, as long as the bank's money to lend out loans pawnshop, you earn a lot. &quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Since Liu Xuming et al incident, the city most of the underground banks, pawn underground line facing serious problems.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;How money King&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;As long as the price of coal to improve coal market can no longer fall in the short term?&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Shenmu private lending originally came from the Ordos. In the meantime, although the regulatory authorities who have been to rectify, but a lot of underground banks, pawn shops still exist. A source said, even now,&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ambasciatadisiria.it&quot;&gt;roshe run pas cher&lt;/a&gt;, &quot;Some of the street commerce companies, certain coal mine office, in fact, many are engaged in the business of lending.&quot; Regular banks and pawnshops in fact does not have lending business. Shenmu County Finance Office Director Liu Qiyun introduced the formal establishment of pawnshops, needs approval by the Department of Commerce, who approved who supervised; and small loan companies, the provincial finance office approval,&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.assessoratoculturacalabria.it/&quot;&gt;woolrich uomo&lt;/a&gt;, supervision and the county. &quot;At present, the formal pawn in the county,&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.klqn.net/home.php?mod=space&amp;#38;uid=31355&quot;&gt;http://www.klqn.net/home.php?mod=space&amp;#38;uid=31355&lt;/a&gt;, only five, non-lending business, the county 22 small loan companies, it is mainly for agriculture loans, can not absorb public deposits. As a security company, but do not have the lending business . &quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;County Finance Office a charge that coal from bank financing is generally based on the grounds of technical transformation project head, since technical innovation investment, to the automation equipment, wanted to approach some of the bank loan, borrow some folk, then join them again some. But some small-scale coal mines, bank lending capacity is limited, it had to help the civil usury.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Once the coal sales are sluggish, there is a problem,&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.vasitalia.it/&quot;&gt;piumini moncler&lt;/a&gt;, such as Liu Xuming et al., Because of funding strand breaks, it triggered a &quot;run&quot; panic. &quot;Judging from the current environment to make coal production was affected, but only trough resource-based enterprises encountered it, after all, the market economy can not always be flat, it is bound to have ups and downs.&quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;In fact, the issue of private lending as early as 2011 winter there has been revealed, Liu Xuming and other case until late last year at the beginning of a sudden outbreak, that makes thousands of folk Shenmu size underground banks suddenly tight.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;However, some people think is not so serious, and not so terrible. An unnamed official said that although some people through underground banks, pawn shops were illegal financial acts protected by law,&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.topjeuxmmorpg.fr/&quot;&gt;canada goose pas cher&lt;/a&gt;, but because of the presence of private lending behavior a long time, their money chain is not so fragile. As long as coal prices fell premise is no longer, can improve the coal market in the short term.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Insiders said: &quot;Compared crazy Wenzhou underground banks, the tree a little do not worry, because it has the resources, there are coal mines, once the market is good, the funds will be like before coming and, compared to high lending interest Ordos. private lending interest rates are generally in Shenmu 3 points or less, unlike the Ordos, frequently one-third five, four, or even a fifth. &quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;This decline caused by the coal crisis of private lending, but also bring disaster to the local real estate market, residential development surrounding townships, housing prices plummeted, when a real estate last year, many owners buy a 4600 house prices up and down, and now the area surrounding the prices have slid to 3500 yuan ......&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Market Background&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Sharp drop in demand for coal imported coal low impact&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Statistics show that in 2012 China's coal stocks for the first time broke through the 300 million tons to reach 344 million tons. This means that lasted nearly a decade, &quot;a coal hard to find&quot; the grand history, replaced by an oversupply of coal enterprises into crisis.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;And in 2013 the overcapacity situation will become more serious, by the international economic downturn and the impact of domestic economic slowdown, sharp decline in coal demand, coupled with the release of imported coal and low impact on production capacity, leading to falling coal prices, port stocks bursting, coal prices miserable. According to its estimates, in 2013 the social stock of the coal industry may be up to 500 million tons.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;And a substantial backlog of domestic coal In contrast, in 2013 a quarter of China's coal imports continued to grow. According to Customs statistics show that the first four months of imports of coal amounted to 120 million tons, an increase of over 30%. Insiders predicted that this year imports of coal will reach 3.6-3.9 million tons, up 100 million tons more than in 2012. Due to imports of cheaper coal, domestic coal prices undoubtedly worse.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&quot;Probably can lower 30-ton yuan to 50 yuan.&quot; Shenmu County Coal Corporation Wang, deputy general manager, and now, in the heat of coal 4500-5500 kcal recent batch to go, 500 yuan per ton. And this price, compared to the data released by the China Coal Industry Association, a drop of nearly 30%. In a decade when the hot coal about to enter winter, a lot of coal mine bosses have had curled up, looking for a place to spend the winter. They are light to Beijing, Xi'an southern certain cities or hide debt, waiting up coal prices, coal thriving again that day, but some people say that waiting for a couple of years, while others believe to be about 5 years,&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ito.dz/spip.php?article74&quot;&gt;http://www.ito.dz/spip.php?article74&lt;/a&gt;, it was said to need 10 years.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;(Original title: 7,000,000 quilt wife go when coordinators)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; (Edit: SN053)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;
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