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<description>&lt;p&gt;Yesterday morning, Kang refuses to accept the administrative punishment decisions Advertisement Haizhu District Department of Transportation case, Haizhu District Traffic Enforcement Bureau, Mr Luhan Ming (left), the respondent court. Southern Reporter Tan horse photo&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Southern News reporter Wu bamboo forest correspondent Yang Xiaomei Yang happy Sun Xueying Dunblane involving the illegal operation was fined 20,000 yuan, a female driver refused to accept the punishment will Haizhu District Department of Transportation to court. Yesterday, Haizhu traffic enforcement branch deputy director Luhan Ming, Liu Mingfang both as a defendant appear in court. Guangzhou, the first case the administrative organ of Guangzhou last month after the introduction of the executive head of respondent court Interim Provisions,&lt;a href=&quot;http://store.shopping.yahoo.co.jp/ebest-dvd/0000001073404.html&quot;&gt;http://store.shopping.yahoo.co.jp/ebest-dvd/0000001073404.html&lt;/a&gt;, Haizhu District Court yesterday ushered in a new regulation after the respondent court cases. As Haizhu District of Guangzhou City traffic enforcement branch of the leaders, Board Secretary Luhan Ming full preparation for this lawsuit for nearly a month. Yesterday,&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.travel-acapulco.com&quot;&gt;http://www.travel-acapulco.com&lt;/a&gt;, down from the court, with a wry smile, he sighed with relief,&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.blog-vins-alsace-arthurmetz.fr&quot;&gt;louboutin pas cher&lt;/a&gt;, &quot;the first time when the defendant, feel uncomfortable, pressure.&quot; Deputy Secretary  appear in court with him also said, &quot;very nervous.&quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;#38; Nbsp; &amp;amp; nbsp; &amp;amp; nbsp; &amp;amp; nbsp; After the new rules &quot;people suing government officials,&quot; the first case of the driver against the traffic enforcement bureau deputy director&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;In early August of this year, the Guangzhou municipal government issued a &quot;Guangzhou administrative organ respondent court Interim Provisions&quot; (hereinafter referred to as &quot;Regulations&quot;), specifically requires that needs to happen this year the trial of the first member first instance administrative lawsuits,&lt;a href=&quot;http://demo10.moonfoci.com/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=691468&amp;#38;extra=&quot;&gt;http://demo10.moonfoci.com/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=691468&amp;#38;extra=&lt;/a&gt;, City District People's Government departments and affiliated institutions responsible people were required to appear in court. This provision has been popular understood as an executive this year's first number, &quot;people suing government officials&quot; case, the person in charge of the unit that will be representative of the units court to deal with the lawsuit. This means that &quot;people suing government officials&quot; case in the future will be a real &quot;people and officials&quot; court of situation.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&quot;Regulations&quot; also requires that other administrative proceedings involving administrative authorities, the number of head of respondent court lawsuit will be linked to the administration of the unit throughout the year involved. A year five administrative cases, the head of respondent court not less than two; a year 20 or more,&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.aixuansm.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&amp;#38;tid=205&quot;&gt;http://www.aixuansm.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&amp;#38;tid=205&lt;/a&gt;,&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.medeacom.it&quot;&gt;piumini woolrich outlet&lt;/a&gt;, responsible for responding to not less than three; a year has 100 or more, responsible person to appear shall Less than four.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Guangzhou, the first case of an administrative organ Guangzhou &quot;rule&quot; after the introduction soon, Haizhu District Court yesterday ushered in a new regulation after the respondent court cases. Kang because a female driver in the afternoon of April 23 this year, near to Xingang Road car equipped with a foreign man, Haizhu District Traffic Enforcement Branch staff is being organized jointly enforcement seized on the spot, accused of alleged illegal operations. Kang law enforcement agencies made the decision of administrative punishment, and out of a fine of 20,000 yuan. Kang refused to accept the punishment, the court Haizhu District Department of Transportation.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;According to &quot;rule&quot; requires, Haizhu District Traffic Enforcement Bureau deputy director Luhan Ming, Liu Mingfang yesterday on behalf of the unit sitting on the dock Haizhu District Court. The driver Kang as plaintiffs, yesterday selected the &quot;single-handedly to attend the meeting.&quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;He was asked once &quot;misfiring&quot; After the seat two Councils have said, &quot;a lot of pressure.&quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;The driver Kang said in court, her day is rented a car to the Canton Fair to pick up the client, then the other missed appointments. She saw a foreign man waved to him, &quot;I was in a good thing, as the Fair surging crowds away a guest, ease the congestion, just let him get on the train&quot; is ready to leave. Kang said she also wanted to know more about a client. Haizhu District traffic enforcement branch side is based on evidence law enforcement videos that foreign man and Kang presence bargaining behavior, also got enough to confirm Kang alleged illegal operation, reasonable punishment.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Kang and thus that even if they are illegal operations, law enforcement agencies out of 20,000 yuan ticket practices, but also the punishment too heavy. &quot;Secretary adults, you have not caught the evidence I had twice? Why is my first time, but not in accordance with the&quot; Provincial Road Traffic Management Ordinance &quot;corresponds to the case of minor punishment?&quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;On court, claiming to do 16 years teacher Kang, looks relatively well prepared, citing provisions of the relevant laws and regulations, once asked the defendant to two Haizhu District Council seat traffic enforcement branch of &quot;misfiring.&quot; Fortunately, the council and another one in the legal work of the staff, to complement often should debate.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;After the trial, Haizhu District Traffic Enforcement Branch Secretary Luhan Ming face of media interviews, long sigh of relief, but smiled and said, &quot;I was the first time when the defendant, was uncomfortable, the pressure is big.&quot; He called up the court responding to their own case to carefully read three times, ready for nearly a month. &quot;Look again, material errors must change.&quot; After work,  also repeatedly about colleagues set up a subcommittee to discuss, &quot;do a good job every detail, to be fair to the court and the plaintiffs.&quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;As the number one worry do not worry about being asked back or say the wrong thing on the court? &quot;Worry is there.&quot; Luhan Ming said, but personally to the respondent, is a learning process. He said that participation of the respondent made him realize that the future of traffic law enforcement process, the staff in law enforcement forensics, making a record,&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.s130.net/cgi-bin/gsx/bbs.cgi&quot;&gt;http://www.s130.net/cgi-bin/gsx/bbs.cgi&lt;/a&gt;,&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.chiesascientologypadova.it/&quot;&gt;Piumini moncler outlet&lt;/a&gt;, we should be more careful. He believes that the executive head of respondent court is necessary, &quot;is recycled in the process of enforcement units to do a scan, identify problems and improve law enforcement.&quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;The branch of another respondent court's deputy director  then admits, first sitting in a courtroom, &quot;very nervous.&quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;  View&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&quot;I hold a conservative attitude toward this requirement,&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.alzbrain.org/prevention.cgi&quot;&gt;http://www.alzbrain.org/prevention.cgi&lt;/a&gt;.&quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Guangzhou Intermediate People's Court President Xiao Zhixiong administration: Litigation is a professional live,&lt;a href=&quot;http://211.86.128.2/gjjl/Review.asp?NewsID=595&quot;&gt;http://211.86.128.2/gjjl/Review.asp?NewsID=595&lt;/a&gt;, should give a more professional people&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Faced with the executive head of respondent court has become a popular trend, the Guangzhou Intermediate People's Court President Xiao Zhixiong administrative judge is very calm. &quot;From the point of view of the Court, I hold to this system a conservative attitude not oppose, do not support.&quot; He thinks who appear in court, there is not much impact on the administrative trial.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;But individual academic point of view, Xiao Zhixiong said he even negative attitude to this trend. He believes the current authorities to promote the executive heads appear in court, it is that in order to promote the rule of law, supervise administrative organs according to law.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&quot;In fact, this may just be counterproductive, since the court in the absence of sufficient capacity to withstand the administrative intervention, may face greater pressure.&quot; He believes that the current system design, the executive heads of the possible in order not to appear in court, may occur can not exercise law enforcement powers, and even indulge some administrative violations of the situation. &quot;Internal staff executive pressure is very large,&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.szassi.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&amp;#38;tid=392711&quot;&gt;http://www.szassi.org/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&amp;#38;tid=392711&lt;/a&gt;, it will lead to the opposite direction towards administration according to law.&quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Xiao Zhixiong explain his personal reason for dissenting, first, that the judicial and legal sector should be respected. Litigation is a highly specialized profession, high administrative level people to pay attention on the surface seems to be responding to justice,&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ccjonicita.it&quot;&gt;hogan outlet&lt;/a&gt;, in fact, is to belittle the legal professional. &quot;That's also why a lawyer?&quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Second, he believes the vast majority of executive heads have no special knowledge of the law, legal work background, even if the entity has some grasp of legal knowledge,&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.autoritabacinodestrasele.it&quot;&gt;moncler sito ufficiale&lt;/a&gt;, but knowledge of the proceedings are mostly lacking. &quot;Do not have the professional ability lawsuit, asking him to appear in court, it is a difficult one.&quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;(Original title: appear in court, &quot;people suing government officials&quot; Two Council seat &quot;very nervous, pressure&quot;)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;
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