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<description>&lt;p&gt;Tongji Organ Ethics Committee is discussing. Chen Yuanshe&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Newspaper reporter Lei Yu Chen Zhuo&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;One from the mother's kidney, has been in operation for five years  body, but before March 31, he was waiting donate a kidney to his father.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&quot;Mom said to his son are the best, why so soon to die.&quot;  mother Guo Huifang said sadly to China Youth Daily reporter. Five years ago, her son suffers from kidney donated kidney failure. But earlier this year, Weng Wenjun to the hospital and found Fengyun kidney transplant has been necrosis.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&quot;Not as well as me?&quot; My father nearly 60 Wengxian Qing decided to take over the baton, &quot;I can donate a kidney, the family can not collapse!&quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;But in March 31, is the parent application Weng Wuhan Tongji Hospital Clinical Application of Human Organ Transplant and Ethics Committee (hereinafter referred to as the Ethics Committee) rejected baton parents to donate a kidney to save the child's story could not continue. &quot;From a technical and theoretical,  for the child to donate a kidney is no problem, but we conducted a comprehensive discussion from the perspective of medical, family, society,&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mapfan.com/routemap/routeset.cgi&quot;&gt;http://www.mapfan.com/routemap/routeset.cgi&lt;/a&gt;, and ultimately come to this result.&quot; Deputy chairman of the committee, but also the Tongji Hospital Organ transplant director Professor Chen Zhishui told the China Youth Daily reporter.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&quot;I know the doctors are good for us.&quot; The results of that moment, Guo Huifang on the couch and cried, &quot;but this may be our only way out.&quot; Accepting foreign kidneys and the extra cost of 150,000 yuan , and waiting for a kidney dialysis at least the high costs within two years, a layer laminated over so that poor families going to breathe.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;To save his son's life,&lt;a href=&quot;http://lome-ca-bouge.net/spip.php?article15&quot;&gt;http://lome-ca-bouge.net/spip.php?article15&lt;/a&gt;, not so much; the family can understand, but so much of the family hit&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Ethics Committee met to discuss the day, Guo Huifang early on came to the venue. The rural women over 50 years of wondering if her husband's application was rejected, and myself on the spot &quot;to the leaders seek to intercede.&quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;According to the 2006 promulgation of the &quot;Human Organ Transplant Clinical Application Management Interim Provisions&quot;, which is the implementation organ transplants before a necessary link. After internal ethical assessment department, the hospital ethics committee review, the provisions of the relevant departments in Hubei Province, organ transplants but also by provincial health departments in charge of the ethics committee of expert review before being implemented.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Five years ago, in the same hospital, 19-year-old university student Wengjun Wen accepted his mother's kidney transplant. Guo Huifang remember before himself pushed into the operating room, still in a coma for the son said, &quot;Do not be afraid, mother's kidney to you, you just fine.&quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Founded in 1900, Tongji Hospital, is the first national one of 164 approved hospital can conduct organ transplants, but also was the only one with liver, kidney, heart, lung transplant all qualified hospital.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&quot;Originally I thought I could maintain more than ten years.&quot; Looks quiet Wengjun Wen Wen Wen told the China Youth Daily reporter. In January, the 24-year-olds because of physical discomfort to Tongji hospital and found creatinine exceeds 700umol / L, which means that the body sinking again from the mother of kidney failure.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;This time, &quot;the mainstay of the family&quot; - father Weng Wenqing stand out. At first, this was the unanimous opposition of friends and relatives: &quot;You have 56 years old, his life not it?&quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&quot;How my life might not want? Can in order to save his son's life, not so much. After you donate a kidney to his son, usually in addition to not do heavy work, now do not they good?&quot; Weng Wenqing so convince his wife.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;But for the Ethics Committee, the consideration of more than just affection.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Currently, the main body organ transplantation, living donation between relatives, the remains of three sources of donations. Chen knows the water introduction, the body and the remains of more than two-thirds of transplant ethics committee agreed to, but as long as there is a live transplant would not be rejected by the members, &quot;This is for the living donor transplants careful consideration.&quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&quot;Living donor transplant is hurt another person's health costs, the ethics committee must discuss the costs and benefits of this phase could get disproportionate, it is worthwhile to do so, this is a value judgment based on medical judgment.&quot; Chinese medicine Executive Director of the Academy of Sciences Research Center of Bioethics Zhai Xiaomei explanation.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;A typical case is a five brothers and sisters, her brother appeared kidney failure, a brother, &quot;matching the best.&quot; Review meeting on the eve of the surgery, doctors discovered that his brother was not entirely voluntary donations, but also against the wife's mother has been receiving kidney donation phone. Doctors immediately find him alone to talk, &quot;To be honest, in the end is not really ready?&quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&quot;Families may face family pressure, who rescued them from family pressure as well? Usually determine the Ethics Committee.&quot; Zhai Xiaomei said.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Ultimately, this living donor transplants between relatives no. Fortunately, six months after his brother until the new kidney.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;For the Weng family, the transplant there is another risk. Doctor, professor of Organ Transplantation,&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.centrolupusinfabula.it/&quot;&gt;piumini woolrich&lt;/a&gt;, Tongji Hospital, explained Chen Gang,  suffering from kidney disease may belong genetic autoimmune disease, which means a higher probability among relatives transplant recurrence.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;In this regard, Guo Huifang admit, because the cost is relatively low, donate a kidney to save the child is the only option in this family. Surrounded by rows of new buildings, the Weng is located in Wuhan City, Xinzhou District YANGLUO Street residence set in the village of Mao appeared to be very loud. With a 1980s-style two-story, glass windows missing more than ten, four received to waste, piling up in front of the house and room.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;That suffering experienced five years ago, the most common Chinese contemporary rural households in the rough to go on: the eldest daughter in a training institution as an English teacher; two daughters entered a Master's degree from National Institute; son Wengjun Wen After the transplant, the body condition stable, smooth, dreams and other young people in love, get married, have children.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;But now the nightmare struck again. 5 years ago, the cost of 120,000 yuan surgery, there are 5 million loan is not repaid, the son once again need a kidney transplant. &amp;#38; Nbsp; &amp;amp; nbsp;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;I'm old, can not help him too much; not because father and son, replaced the rational judgment&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&quot;The children are too young to enjoy other people he does not enjoy.&quot; Guo Huifang finally agreed to her husband's proposal, &quot;I think maybe after the surgery, he can marry and have children.&quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;A person's hope, it lies in the father's Fengyun kidney. &quot;I'm old, can not help him much, hope that he can safely degrees hurdle.&quot;  he said.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;But the ethics committee opinion, not because of father and son, replaced the rational judgment. One committee member, Wei Yean Tongji Hospital director of community committees told the China Youth Daily reporter, Weng couples are already over 50 years old, on to support the elderly, to give his son under medical treatment,&lt;a href=&quot;http://store.shopping.yahoo.co.jp/gion/lng16001.html&quot;&gt;http://store.shopping.yahoo.co.jp/gion/lng16001.html&lt;/a&gt;, the already heavy burden on the family, if his family from a Patients become three patients, the burden even heavier, they can not afford.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;This morning, he voted against it. &amp;#38; Nbsp; &quot;. Most people do not agree  father to donate a kidney,&quot; Chen know water is also recalled. Discuss the 11 ethics committee members, there are 10 against  donated kidney apply, only one person agrees.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;The 11 people of both medical experts, some experts, as well as administrative staff, nurses and community law,&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.chinatopgame.com/home.php?mod=space&amp;#38;uid=1779&quot;&gt;http://www.chinatopgame.com/home.php?mod=space&amp;#38;uid=1779&lt;/a&gt;, sociology and other fields. After the year 2007,&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ristorantemaddalena.it&quot;&gt;scarpe hogan outlet&lt;/a&gt;, when the Ministry of Health should request the country engaged in organ transplant hospitals to establish a special ethics committee,&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.albergochateau.it/&quot;&gt;hogan outlet online&lt;/a&gt;, organ transplantation authenticity, legitimacy and medicine, ethics and other aspects of checks.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&quot;The so-called from an ethical point of view, mainly from the benefit analysis, not about good and bad art willing to stick to their principles, to express their views is an important criterion for selection of members..&quot; &amp;#38; Nbsp; Tongji Hospital, vice president , chairman of the Organ Transplant Ethics Committee Dr. Liao Jiazhi said, &quot;they do not have too many medical, legal and other knowledge, from social life, from the viewpoint of the emotional on the line.&quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;From its inception, Tongji Hospital Ethics Committee members little liquidity. In order to prevent the &quot;authoritative influence&quot;, the proportion of medical experts is strictly controlled within 25%, at the same time,&lt;a href=&quot;http://hzjinhua.com/home.php?mod=space&amp;#38;uid=3431&quot;&gt;http://hzjinhua.com/home.php?mod=space&amp;#38;uid=3431&lt;/a&gt;, the doctor should have avoidance mechanisms.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;March 31, the Ethics Committee held a closed-door meeting, Guo Huifang did not participate, but was taken to staff an office downstairs waiting. As a doctor of Chen Gang, also in accordance with the provisions avoid the meeting.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;In fact, long before the Ethics Committee's consideration, Chen Gang realized that the risk of recurrence after transplantation, so the possibility of rejections becomes larger. &amp;#38; Nbsp; &quot;. The first transplant has a relapse, the possibility of a second relapse is very high,&quot; Chen said, &quot;the family is entirely understandable, but if the father donated his kidney failure a few years again, for two people It is hurting the fight against the family too. &quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;As a member, Tongji Hospital security section chief Bu snow beads remember that day of the meeting, and not as intense discussion in the media think. First introduced by the Secretary of the Commission basic condition, security personnel to verify the identity, the basis of full discussion, voting link back to back is complete, the entire process takes about half an hour.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&quot;If the kidney is still not save the children, we all know that it is for gay men what it means to lose a kidney.&quot; Bu Xue Chu said.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Only one member voted in favor of a hospital support staff, his reason is, &quot;his father to donate a kidney to his son, speaking from the feelings, why not?&quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&quot;Family will be more talk about emotion, doctors have a tendency to depart from self-surgery, with this committee to play the role of gatekeeper, so that everyone can be more rational.&quot;  he said.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;This is respect for medical ethics, but also respect for the family ethics&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Numerous times, Guo Huifang close your eyes, ears are ringing words of his son: &quot;Mom, I thought I would die,&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.avvocaticamerino.it&quot;&gt;scrape hogan&lt;/a&gt;, I did not expect to live down.&quot; That was five years ago after  successful kidney transplant, express the truth of the mother.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;In fact, for the Weng family who donated a kidney to save the child was not entirely out of affection. &quot;If you wait for someone else's kidney, costs and produce more than ten million,&quot; Guo Huifang told reporters. Inability to do heavy labor after kidney donation, the body slim woman waiting for her husband every day from outside the garbage to pull back, and then classify, then contact to sell. Two days of dawn every day to get up, but more than 2000 yuan monthly income.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;And now, my son waiting for a kidney in the period, must be to the hospital for dialysis three times a week, each dialysis costs 600 yuan. The new rural cooperative medical care before he attended a medical insurance as well as later in the local labor bureau to participate in, and not enough to fill the family faces enormous economic black hole.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&quot;They are facing social and economic problems, rather than ethical issues.&quot; Zhai Xiaomei said, &quot;These issues should be resolved by the community together, but can not justify ethically.&quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;70s of last century, with the success of IVF, the rise of transplant medical progress and delaying death technology, people enjoy the health development of the series had to face the dilemma of moral choice. In 1974, because of a &quot;if you can remove the ventilator as a vegetative state,&quot; the case, the first hospital ethics committee was established in the United States.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&quot;Organ transplantation review more personalized ethical review.&quot; Dr. Liao Jiazhi introduction, also donate a kidney, donated liver, body, family, economic, latency, and other factors will of my differences will affect the final judgment &quot;This is respect for medical ethics,&lt;a href=&quot;http://webshop.tafcue.com&quot;&gt;http://webshop.tafcue.com&lt;/a&gt;, but also respect for the family ethics.&quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&quot;Everyone from the point of view put forward their point of view are worthy of respect, culture, habits, professional different, there is a certain degree of randomness, as a legal jury.&quot; Chen said.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;This also means that different hospital ethics committee, and sometimes there will be a different approval results. Weng donation in the application was rejected, when Shanghai Changzheng Hospital completed a case of a kidney transplant, a 33-year-old daughter to donate a kidney rescue her mother suffering from kidney failure. Previously,&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.my122.com/?action-viewcomment-itemid-109102&quot;&gt;http://www.my122.com/?action-viewcomment-itemid-109102&lt;/a&gt;, these transplants application was rejected by the ethics committee of a hospital in Wuhan.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;It is said that the daughter's husband and elderly people have agreed to sign, also wrote a very emotional letter, be sure to donate a kidney to save the mother, but this ethics committee Wuhan insistence,&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hayasoft.com/crybaby/cgi-bin/diary2/apeboard_plus.cgi?msgnum=96&amp;amp;command=read_message/&quot;&gt;http://www.hayasoft.com/crybaby/cgi-bin/diary2/apeboard_plus.cgi?msgnum=96&amp;amp;command=read_message/&lt;/a&gt;, &quot;to the parents of children not living kidney donation&quot; .&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&quot;According to regulations, if the Ethics Committee when discussing controversial, may be submitted for reconsideration.&quot; Zhai Xiaomei told reporters. 2012, Inner Mongolia women Sudan, that with their ex-husband divorced two months suffering from liver cancer, decided to remarry for liver donation. However, the ethics committee that the two have been non-relatives, suspected behind money transactions, rejected her request. Later, at the request of Sudan, we conducted a second ethics review,&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.blog-vins-alsace-arthurmetz.fr&quot;&gt;chaussure Louboutin pas cher&lt;/a&gt;, donate it to proceed.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Sudan is different, Guo Huifang accepted the decision of the ethics committee. She was on the same day the application for registration of foreign kidney under a doctor's guidance. Guo Huifang said registration only took ten minutes of time, but she did not know in the end how long foreign kidneys.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;By contrast, we must endure the pain of  dialysis, after hearing the news and have actually been very quiet, and even some easy, &quot;because his father not to suffer.&quot;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; (Edit: SN010)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;
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